Democratic Civility? Where?

by lewwaters


Everyone has heard the floor speech of Rep. Alan Grayson, Democrat Florida, where he claimed Republicans plan for healthcare is “if you get sick, die quickly.” He justifies his vitriol by claiming Republicans have no plan, even though every single amendment or bill submitted by Republicans is ignored or thrown away.

Calls of an apology for his “Joe Wilson” comments were met with the sarcastic “I would like to apologize, I apologize to the dead and their families that we haven’t voted sooner to end this holocaust in America.”

Grayson is not a native Floridian and gives a prime example of why many of us native Floridians moved away from the once decent state of Florida, too many New Yorkers with their vitriolic rhetoric and mean-spirited discourse in day to day life. Grayson is a transplant from the Bronx, New York.

This isn’t the first such time Grayson has verbally attacked Republicans in such an uncivil manner. Earlier in 2009, commenting on Rush Limbaugh hoping Obama’s policies fail, he blurted, “Rush Limbaugh is a has-been hypocrite loser, who craves attention. His right-wing lunacy sounds like Mikhail Gorbachev, extolling the virtues of communism. Limbaugh actually was more lucid when he was a drug addict. If America ever did 1% of what he wanted us to do, then we’d all need pain killers.”

Calls for an apology to Rush for that over the top claim brought, “I’m sorry Limbaugh called for harsh sentences for drug addicts while he was a drug addict. I’m also sorry that he’s bent on seeing America fail. And I’m sorry that Limbaugh is one sorry excuse for a human being.”

Appearing on CNN’s Situation Room to “discuss” his hateful comments, refused to back away from his hate filled speech by now saying Republicans are, “foot-dragging, knuckle-dragging Neanderthals.”

Even the bombastic James Carville cringed at this and said, “I would call (them) regressive as opposed to Neanderthal,” after first congratulating Grayson for having “the courage to go up and say what he said.”

Grayson also went on to say of the majority of Americans now opposed to this debacle of a plan, “whoever it is that’s causing the Republicans to fight tooth-and-nail against anything, absolutely anything, to have every vote come down to being 257 to 175 in the House, over and over and over again. Those are the people who are really disserving Americans.”

Republicans offered the usual weak comments from National Republican Congressional Committee spokesman Ken Spain of “Grayson is doubling down on his despicable remarks and he is dragging his party with him,” adding “This is an individual who has established a pathological pattern of unstable behavior. He is derailing the national debate on health care reform and embarrassing his constituents as a result.”

Tennessee Republican Jimmy Duncan said, “That is about the most mean-spirited partisan statement that I’ve ever heard made on this floor, and I, for one, don’t appreciate it.”

Marsha Blackburn, another Tennessee Republican said, “It’s fully appropriate that the gentleman return to the floor and apologize.”

We shouldn’t be too surprised at such vitriol coming from Democrats when they are demanding a more civil discourse; they have a history of slinging such vitriol at opponents instead of civilly discussing anything.

Frances Rice, Chair of the National Black Republican Association reminds us of the mean-spirited calls Democrats make against Black Americans who leave the Democrats “political plantation” and express conservative ideals.

Civility seems to be unknown to Democrats.

No doubt the Columbian’s John Laird and Kathie Durbin have no objection to Grayson’s rhetoric.

Calls upon Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi to condemn Grayson as swiftly as she did Joe Wilson are being met with *crickets.*

10 Comments to “Democratic Civility? Where?”

  1. bullshit dude, that is so completely backwards


  2. Thank you for the expression of “Democratic Civility,” dude!


  3. I swore, is that somehow extremely uncivil? I’m saying this is entirely backwards, and you know it. Joe Wilson yelling out during the president’s speech is CLEARLY more uncivil than simply stating the fact, that is really the Republicans plan. Apologize to Rush Limbaugh?! seriously? Republicans are calling upon Democrats to apologize to painkiller addicted radio pundits who spout more lies in one hour than Grayson will in his life?! Since, Rush Limbaugh NEVER says anything offensive or racist, no sir ee!


  4. And yet another fine example of the left’s civility?

    Perhaps Kill Bush is more in line with what you cretins consider civility.

    As far as Rush goes, you must listen to him more than I do.

    Then again, Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann are fine examples of civility, are they not?

    By all means, keep showing the world just how “civil” your ilk is.


  5. In that paragraph I never said anything uncivil, the continued sarcasm on your part is has no base. Keith Olbermann does rant, but he certainly does not say things like Rush does. Rachel Maddow also is a liberal, but she doesn’t even rant at all. I don’t think Bush deserves to be killed at all, I consider the death penalty immoral, though a prison sentence would do him fine, as far as I know, when you break the law you go to jail. I believe Bush belongs in prison for approving the torture as well as the fraud in the 2000 election. But I don’t hate him, I hate what he did, but not the person. I don’t remember us saying “Kill Bush” quote you, perhaps it’s more of an exaggerated narration of our unfriendliness towards Bush.

    Rush, since I listen to him more often, has claimed the following, there is no evidence that links smoking to cancer, there are more trees in North America today than when Columbus arrived, and there are more Native Americans alive today than when Columbus arrived. As well as accusing us of terrorism, since we all know which side usually ends up with the domestic terrorism charges. *cough gun nuts*cough


  6. That’s what I really like about you liberals, jubsta, you can’t handle the truth.

    Olbermann goes far beyond “rants” and Maddow’s vitriolic slurs are known and all over the internet. That you see no problem in their mean-spirited diatribes speaks volumes and is a perfect example of what I wrote about.

    If you clicked on the link you would see that the “Kill Bush” rhetoric was very pronounced. That you hate what he did is on you and it really doesn’t matter whether you agreed or not with those who screamed Kill Bush, unless you called them out and countered them.

    Did you?

    Sorry to inform you, but Bush did not break any laws. tried and tried to come up with laws broken and when Bush left office, they became, still looking and still coming up empty handed.

    Now, if you really think people who break the law need to be in jail, when does your groups demand Bill Clinton surrender to serve his sentence, having been convicted of war crimes?

    Belgrade sentences Clinton for war crimes

    Belgrade sentences Nato leaders

    Funny thing is, I don’t recall hearing right-wingers demanding Clinton be jailed over this, although they did fall into the Democrats diversionary trap of Monica Lewinsky.

    Hate to tell you, but there was study showing little or no linkage to second hand smoke. Anti-smoking groups were funding it over 30 years and when it began showing no linkage, they pulled the plug some few months before it was to finish.

    Tobacco companies picked up the tab to finish it and publish it and it is now forever known as a tobacco company funded study, even though anti-smoking groups funded some 28 or 29 years of it.

    Since you listen to Rush, you claim, I’m a bit surprised you didn’t know he was talking about second hand smoke.

    Can you show there aren’t more trees now in North America? I live in tree country and I don’t see a shortage.

    Laugh at us “gun nuts” all you want. Do you realize just how many millions of American guns killed no one yesterday?

    You sound more like another liberal who hates everything counter to your thought and demands that we accept your values (or lack of) and give up our own.

    Personally, I don’t care how you live or what you believe and I will not change my life to suit your views of life.

    I reject nanny-statism.


  7. I don’t expect you to change any part of your life based on my views, I’m not some “1984” commie, nor is any liberal. I didn’t expect Bush to be impeached, I wanted it to be that way sure, but did I think it was feasible, no. Sometimes criminals just get away. And as I said, approving torture and the 2000 debacle have yielded plenty of criminal acts, but he is long gone now. Olbermann’s rants and Maddow’s comments are extreme to you, as this yields a difference between right and left, lefties are appalled at racist or discriminatory comments, righties are appalled at comments that gnaw away at their security, challenge them, and give us a different perspective then the one shoved at us through the media, as there is no such thing as liberal media, only network that has traces of liberalism in it is MSNBC w/a couple shows. However, on FOX “news” and CNN, I constantly hear the peddling of the classic talking points of “liberals want big-gov’t”. Which is repeated since it works, people fall for that crap.

    I don’t care whether there has been one study or however many you can dig up from lobbyists for tobacco saying that second hand smoke doesn’t hurt your lungs, that’s like saying, the grenade won’t hurt me, since I didn’t pull the pin, the guy standing right next to me w/the grenade in his hand did!

    Yes, I can prove there was hundreds of millions more acreage of forest then than now. Before European settlement, there was around a billion acres of forest-Forest Service historian, Douglas McCleery. Now, there are only 737 million acres of forest land, much of which lacks the ecological diversity of the original old-growth forest.-American Forests.

    I have no comment on the Clinton issues you brought up, he was a decent president, but he had some problems. Such as the ones you list here.

    I would bet yesterday there were some family members that died as a result of a paranoid member who shot them at the sound of their feet scaring the paranoid member. I would bet there is a child who was able to kill himself b/c of a lack of a child safety lock, and I bet there were criminals who bypassed background checks and received guns.

    I do not hate everything counter to my views, and I do not demand that you accept my values, of which I possess more than you. This is not really a matter of values, and you do not know my values. What I hate is the lack of a real counter TO my argument, the arguments counter to mine are so devoid of knowledge and fact, and so crammed w/Fox “news” talking points and Tea Party ignorance, that is what irritates me, nothing personal or directed at you, but that is what irritates me. There is no nanny statism of which you speak, giving money to those who work the hardest, and get very little, the poor, is not nanny statism, redistributing the wealth from the very very top to the low low bottom is not a interference on freedom of the mainstream of Americans.

    I believe in changing this country, but I don’t believe in forcing anyone into my vision, I will try to convince people through words, and legislative actions, but beyond that it is up to the people.However, I do not believe I am in the minority either.


  8. Ah, now I see you have the same misguided notion as do many liberal Democrats, sour grapes over the 2000 election still. Hate to break it to you, but even the New York Times admitted Bush did in fact win the Florida election.

    Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote

    All those years of unnecessary and misdirected hate.

    Hate to further burst your bubble, but we did not torture, I don’t care how much liberal wusses cry. Enhanced interrogation or whatever else you wish to call it may be harsh, but it isn’t torture. Redefining it as such to try to bring down a sitting president will end up backfiring on you all.

    I’m almost laughing when you say, “lefties are appalled at racist or discriminatory comments” when you all sat back and said nothing when Condoleezza Rice, Clarence Thomas, Michael Steele, Janice Rodgers-Brown and Miguel Estrada were all being denigrated by Democrats.

    Ya’ll seem pretty selective as to just when you decide you “lefties are appalled at racist or discriminatory comments.”

    If you don’t believe in big gov’t, kindly explain why nearly every program you advocate expands government. Let me know just which gov’t programs Democrats or Obama has eliminated recently.

    Now, you see, even after explaining it, you still cry it was tobacco companies that performed the study, even though they only funded the finish. But, I agree, smoking is bad for you, but so are a lot of things that the left enjoys and doesn’t want taxed.

    By the way, from where I sit, it would appear Democrats believe smokers are more patriotic than non-smokers. Since paying taxes is considered patriotic now and tobacco is amongst the highest taxed item we have, smokers are paying much more tax for their habit. That must make them more patriotic, right?

    You might also appreciate More Trees Today?

    How Does Using Paper Lead To More Trees?

    Surprise! The world has more trees than you probably think

    Just stating a claim is not proof.

    As for Clinton, I didn’t particularly care for his presidency, but found agreement with him on some matters. Regardless, you stated that crimes mean one goes to jail and I showed you were he was convicted and sentenced to 20 years. No comment?

    Betting your notion isn’t proof. I’ve owned guns for many years and they have killed or harmed others less than did Ted Kennedy’s car.

    However, I will admit there are those who have no business with a gun and of those, if they possess one they usually obtained it illegally. Criminals don’t worry about gun laws; they also use illegal or stolen guns. They choose to ignore the law and we end up allowing them to keep their s while we disarm ourselves.

    If you have a fear of guns and don’t want one, don’t get one. But something you rarely if ever hear in our media is when a responsible law abiding gun owner has saved them self, their family or their neighbors with a legal gun.

    You can read a compilation of such every month in the NRA’s magazine, First Freedom in the Armed Citizen section.

    You can also read of a school shooting stopped by a teacher who was able to obtain his legal gun a few years ago, The School Shooting They Never Mention that I wrote.

    Your argument is countered whether you believe it or not. That’s an old liberal tactic that I don’t fall for. And, you can cry you don’t demand I adhere to your values all you want, the proof is in the pudding and the current cartel of Democrats expand government and pass regulation after regulation whether the people want it or not.

    You are seriously deluded if you claim otherwise. We all see it.

    Funny, but in claiming no nanny-statism you describe nanny-statism. Any redistribution of wealth is what always brings socialism down as you remove the innate desire to better one self. Why work harder if those who don’t receive what you do?

    I don’t know your age, but I am nearing 62 years old and have seen the changes in my lifetime where I am no longer able to do as I did when younger, through laws and measures passed by government “for my own good.”

    The biggest change I noticed was during my absence from the country from 1969 to 1974 when I returned.

    That was tried at the onset of our nation by early Pilgrims that cost many their lives. You can read it for yourself at Modern History Sourcebook: William Bradford: from History of Plymouth Plantation, c. 1650 . Scroll down to “Private and communal farming.”

    By what right do you determine what someone else labors goes to? Why should someone who doesn’t put in he time and risk building a company reaps the benefits and the one who did put out the risk give it up?

    You might also appreciate what Congressman Davy Crockett had to say about it.

    Our constitution grants us equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

    You can believe you are not in the minority all you wish, only about 20% of the country labels themselves as “liberal.”

    And again, you say, “I believe in changing this country, but I don’t believe in forcing anyone into my vision, I will try to convince people through words, and legislative actions.” Sorry, but that IS forcing me and anyone else into what you envision, not what we do.

    Otherwise, you would live as you see fit and leave others free to live as they see fit.


  9. Acck, I wrote a long reply then the mouse clicked back, it got erased :P, Ah, well I’ve been through the same argument before w/conservatives, for now I’ll just respectfully disagree, thanks for the discussion 🙂


  10. Not being facetious with you, but I too really hate it when I lose a long post or reply that I spent hours on. Repectfully disagreeing is in order. Thanks for stopping by.


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