The Disconnect of Occupy Wall Street

by lewwaters

The longer these “Occupy Whatever” protests go on, the more disconnected the “occupiers” seem to be. Now that they have decided to release their “demands” and another work in progress document, The American Peoples New Economic Charter I am left wondering how these people expect to be taken seriously.

At one point in their documents, they call for an end to private sector student loans, saying such loans should be wholly subsidized. Later, they want forgiveness of the very loans they took out then state, “Get Wall Street out of the private student loan business and maintain fair and reasonable public loans for all students who need them.”

They ask for “Education should be funded with some of the $2 billion/week that goes to war-funding. At least 50% of it.”

They expect, “Socialize undergraduate level college. Make failing impossible to assure that everyone has the same chance in the work place post-college.”

They want to see, “Repeal “No Child Left Behind” [NCLB is basically a corporate $ maker. Make all education free from cradle-grave.”

After stating no student information should be shared with Military Recruiters, they then expect, “Establish a national service requirement for all young persons, incorporating the draft in time of war, and civilian service for all others.” Another ‘occupier chimed in, [Lets get our republic back first before we force people to die for it] Maintain the option of “conscientious objector.”
During time of service, young people will be provided room, board, and a small salary. This money will be paid from the $2 billion/week currently spent on war.”

On the subject of guns we read, “Eliminate all gun registration lists so they can not be published in newspapers for criminals to choose their victims (either for gun burglaries, or home invasions of the defenseless).

Another occupier entered in regard to that, “The government should act as a national database of citizens, with only such information as: name, dob, ss#/voter id, schools attended, driver’s license #, address/phone, medical record #. Citizens will not be allowed to own guns. They can be used in shooting ranges. We cannot let Jarred Louhgners to corrupt our society any more.”

Still later in the document we read the suggestion, “make guns illegal in our society. If even one mentally-ill person is able to get a gun, that makes everyone and anyone unsafe. Create safe and sane shooting galleries as entertainment businesses for those who like shooting.”

As expected, there is also the usual list of “prosecute and imprison corporate CEO’s,” “Free healthcare,” “repeal Citizens United” that gave corporations a voice in elections as Union have, “Stop home foreclosures” and more.

But, the single largest disconnect is found on the last page of the proposal, “New Salary Range Recommendations” supposedly “Based on Concepts of Economic Sustainability and Right Livelihood” The following is a list of their “range of Salaries.”

Bankers $20,000
Lawyers $27,500
Realtors $25,000
Doctors $28,000
Nurses $27,500
Teachers/Librarians/TrainEngineers/Bridge Maintenance/Ship Pilots, etc. $35,000
Police $36,000
Public Servants $28,500
Laborers $20,000
Other public sector $30,000
Other private sector $29,000
Technical/Research/Academic $36,000
Entrepreneurs/Business Owners $10,000 (this annual payment by the government will serve to fund and support private businesses, which, if successful, can create needed and sought-after products. If the products are worthy and valuable, people will buy them, and entrepreneurs will be able to amass fortunes. Warning – products, such as derivatives, will probably not succeed in the new, fair economy)
Congress $30,000
President 40,000
Soldiers N/A
Defense workers $25,000
Etc.
All jobs include full health benefit for worker and family, full retirement benefits, full free education for children.

Besides being much lower than current salaries, who in their right mind would be willing to start any business and receive only $10,000 a year from the government while they pay employees twice that amount?

And, as brought out by the Washington Times, with soldiers being eliminated (presumably why Soldiers salary is N/A), why will there be defense workers?

We are also told that income taxes would be eliminated too and ““The only tax will be a sales tax for all goods and services, which will be fixed at 4%.”

But, even with such a low sales tax, much lower than we pay today, salaries so low and business start-ups discouraged, who would be able to fund all of the free education, free healthcare and those companies who have already packed up and moved overseas to afford to manufacture their product being hit with other taxes recommended in the document, which will undoubtedly force them to completely cut ties to the United States should such a pact be implemented.

All products to be purchased would have to be imported, which earlier in the document called for an import tax. Other countries would not be held to compliance of this pact as the past itself calls for an end to all colonialism, at home and abroad.

Another complete disconnect with reality is demonstrated on page 23 where it is written in response to no reporting on wars in the media, “There will be no war, so that’s moot. The government will have one media center in which it broadcasts/reports on its news. Who do these warmongers think are going to attack us?”

How can anyone reach adulthood and be so blindly naïve?

19 Comments to “The Disconnect of Occupy Wall Street”

  1. That’s the problem Lew, they may have gotten older but they haven’t “grown up” yet.

    What a bunch of ignorant morons.

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  2. The problem, as crazy as it seems, is that these people are serious. They may seem crazy. But everything they are asking for fits into the Socialist doctrine. We must not underestimate them because they are not harmless. Without strong political leadership in Washington DC we are very vunerable. But when the leadership is of the same mind as the protestors it should scare the crap out of us.

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  3. Yes, I know they are serious, and seriously delusional at t he same time.

    The worst part, the Democratic Party has come out solidly behind them.

    https://lewwaters.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/democrats-come-out-in-support-of-occupy-wall-street/

    They see them as useful fools to help the Dems regain total power.

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  4. Times will get even scarier. There is NO WAY 99% of the populace (voters or not) is going to allow more-and-more accumulation of wealth by the 1%! They will OVERREACT! History tells us what happens to the people who support the 1%. Conservatives have their own values that have nothing to do with allowing a nouveau aristocracy. You guys must see where this is going.

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  5. More importantly, martin, do the occupiers see how they are being set up for useful fools?

    These malcontents aren’t nearly as important as they think they are. Democrats may come out in support of them today and if they fall for it and vote Dems back in, they will take it up the butt just as the rest of us will.

    If they want a real revolution, let them start one. They might be surprised how well I can aim and pull a trigger too.

    They may find out they don’t have the support they think they do when a few of them are facing a 12 gauge while others are sprawled on the ground.

    They haven’t even reached the level of discontent they did back in the 1960’s and have even less over all support from the public today.

    Don’t believe everything the media feeds you.

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  6. Lew, I’m not even insinuating that you shouldn’t protect your Conservative values. Conservatives can and should defend their sacred cows – I’m simply stating that you owe no allegiance to the superrich. Despise Marxists but at the same time don’t provide cover for the aristrocrats.

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  7. Martin, I have no allegiance to anyone. I do not post as I do to gain anyone’s favor or in hopes of their paying me anything. I honestly don’t care what others have. It doesn’t offend me that others have more wealth than I do.

    I believe we each should be entitled to keep what we earn and have. We do have laws in place to deal with swindlers and cheats, but all too often, those we elect to write or enforce those laws don’t do so equitably.

    If these malcontents get their way, just as seen in other countries that redistributed the wealth, it only creates a new wealthy class of those who led the charge and are now at the top of the government. The wealth is redistributed to them and they decide what is spread out now to the poor class, the middle class having disappeared.

    Can you honestly say Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, Vietnam, China and others like them are better off for the common man? Those in government hold the money and are living luxurious lives while the rest scratch about for what they can get.

    Here is a link to an essay written by a young Vietnamese woman married to one of the guys I served with she wrote for a Business Course she was taking a few years ago. She was born after the war ended and the country fell to the socialists and grew up under Vietnamese Socialism. See what her take on Socialism is. http://rightinaleftworld.blogspot.com/2008/07/do-you-really-want-to-rear-your-child.html

    So no, I have no devotion to any rich, wealthy people. I do know that what is proposed to replace our system is so much worse, having spent an additional 3 years after Vietnam in Germany where we flew and patrolled the borders between East & West Germany and Czechoslovakia. The high fence and finely raked loose sand were on their side to keep their people in, not to keep us out.

    My stand is to prevent that from becoming our way of life.

    And don’t forget, the wealthy are often only one or two bad decisions away from losing all they have. Government in socialist countries just take more to keep themselves living well.

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  8. I suppose the Russian boyars and members of the Duma figured that Lenin and his mob were just a bunch of fruit loops too. That naive thinking didn’t work out too well for them and for the 50 million or so the Bolsheviks slaughtered over the ensuing 70 years.

    Look at the parallels. An unpopular war, aristocracy controlling the means of production, masses of the unemployed. Setting aside the darker implications of the occupiers ‘manifesto’, they voice some legitimate beefs which shouldn’t be ignored. In fact, some of what they say is identical to what drove conservatives to form the Tea Party. Some of the banking and trading houses are definitely out of control. “To big to fail” they said – and it only cost us a couple of trillion dollars to bail them out. Politicians like Dodd and Frank contributed to the problem as well. If the “Occupiers” have the brains to weed out the marxists and nihlists, they should team up with the Tea Party to form a viable third party that would be able to really challenge the Dems and Repubs.

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  9. Lew, I don’t think the choice is Marxism or raw Capitalism. There are identifiable targets that a society must meet to remain viable – a ROBUST Middle Class is the most important. I don’t mind superwealth (obtained during the lifetime of the person) but there needs to be a wider spread. Redistribution (preferably at death) is the only way.

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  10. Craig, if you recall, conservatives were opposed to all the bail outs, even TARP under Bush. Yes, that is why the Tea Party finally came together and stood up once Obama continued the mess, worsening it.

    I agree they have a couple legitimate concerns mixed in with their “manifesto,” but it is the rest we should be concerned over. Weeding them out is difficult unless they begin separating themselves, like the Occupiers in Portland did with the malcontents over opening Main Street.

    As I already showed, the Democrats have come out in full support of these groups. Do you honestly believe they are doing any more than pandering to them to stay in and regain power?

    That is why I continually harp on the Democrats and their supporters must accept their portion of the blame for this mess. It will not be solved by allowing a large part of what drove us here to continue us in that same direction.

    You might also enjoy this UK Telegraph article from days ago on the occupiers and Tea Party teaming up.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100108593/if-the-wall-street-protesters-really-want-to-reform-capitalism-they-should-join-the-tea-party/

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  11. Martin, I don’t see the “alarm” that you’re responding to and expressing. We’ve always had “rich” people and it’s always been the American Dream to work hard, accumulate wealth, build your castle, and enjoy your money. It’s no different now than it has ever been.

    The very fact that the average peon in America has the opportunity to make himself a millionaire if he wants to get off his dead ass and work for it is the biggest reason you’re not going to see a Socialist Revolution here.

    It is very possible that we will have a revolution against the government, but not to instill Socialism because “class envy” only works on lazy bastards who are looking for a handout. I don’t see that most Americans want to be on a “dole”.

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  12. Gee Lew, it now seems that Comrade Moeller is going to join the “protest” in Vancouver. His new shipment of Kool-Aid must have arrived.

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  13. 100 Million people died under Soviet Communism….why stop there?

    I really hate to see people like Marty Hash use someone else’s bandwidth to conduct their own political campaign.

    Marty, you frickin’ poser. If you had a liberal hair on your ass you’d be over in Portland getting your not so slim ass dragged out of the middle of Main street with the rest of the human debris.

    Same goes with Moeller the Troller.

    Do you really need a job? Besides whine on the intarwebs what exactly are you capable of doing that is useful??

    Can you cut my grass like I want it??

    Make a bid on installing the concrete slab foundation for my shop next Spring.

    Hell, I’d give you a set of the blueprints for the shop if I thought you knew how to bid it properly.

    Know how to hang sheet rock?? Do you know how to tape and/or mud??

    Even shingle a roof from scratch??

    Know how to lay out a stairwell using nothing but a pencil and a framing square??

    If I started my Troybilt rototiller and showed you how to use it, are you virile enough to operate it long enough to do any usable work??

    Know how to troubleshoot the fuel system in my leaf blower in less than 49 days??

    Do you know how to properly scrape, prime and paint a house??

    What do you suppose a product named “KILZ” is and how would you use it??

    Do you know how to replace an existing window?? How about an entire door and frame??

    Ever install a garage door?? How about the opener??

    Can you tear down, clean, re-bearing and correctly reassemble a 1 horsepower vacuum pump?? Can you name at least one use for such an object??

    How long would it take you to split a cord of firewood using an axe and a maul?? Do you know the meaning of any of those words without looking them up in Wiki??

    Ever build any kind of machine in miniature?? Model airplanes, cars, boats, anything???

    You want robust Marty?? I doubt you know the meaning of the word. Show me you can do something useful besides type communist sympathizer drivel, and maybe we’ll talk.

    To paraphrase the late William F. Buckley, I would love to take you seriously Marty, but to do so would affront your intelligence….

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  14. Hey Bob!, I know how to do all that stuff. But I am busy;-)

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  15. Why would anybody be surprised, Jack?

    I’m more surprised when he doesn’t show up in support of every fringe left nutcase cause.

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  16. Bob, yikes, man!

    As a matter of fact, I’m a General Contractor. I also sub. I’m not sure you want to get in a spitting match with a person you apparently know nothing about. Here’s a link to my forum, politics and all:
    http://www.martinhash.com/forums/

    Dr. Martin D. Hash, Esq.

    p.s. I was also a member of IBEW 1245

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  17. I’ll also add that even though a liberal, Martin is willing to discuss reasonably without the vitriol seen usually between left & right.

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  18. I like Martin because he is willing to listen to differing opinions, even though he might not agree with them. And he’s willing to inform you on various subjects? Gosh, how good does that sound?

    Someone is willing to talk to you about various things that you might not agree on but does not make a huge raucous or flummox situation, where you are totally wrong in your own personal opinion and really has nothing to add to a conversation except to belittle and slam others?

    Reminds me of what I heard from Occupy Portland & Vancouver…. (I should say the opposite of…)

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  19. Martin is a decent guy. We disagree on many tings, but always agreeably.

    He is on I have no problems with.

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