Heroes Don’t Spike The Football

by lewwaters

29 Comments to “Heroes Don’t Spike The Football”

  1. Well it’s not as if there was not precedent for this. We all remember the Abraham Lincoln. As I recall the football was spiked there before the game was over.


  2. That’s the best defense you all have for this? Bush flew out to the Abraham Lincoln when it returned to the country?

    Yes, we all recall and we recall too how it was you all who whined the loudest and now, give the okay.

    But, at least Bush did something besides watching a TV screen, safe inside a bunker.


  3. At least it was not Obama who shut down the bin Laden Unit. bin Laden is dead and GM is alive


  4. ROFLMAO, Nathan. You can’t be serious with that talking point? Are you all mind numb robots, walking around repeating what you are told to say?

    bin Laden is dead, thanks to Seal Team 6, GM is producing cars Obama wants and the people don’t and still, millions of American citizens are unemployed or under employed while America’s credit rating has been lowered for the first time in our history and our external debt is higher that it ever has been, with hopes to raise it even higher if this joker stays in office and his cronies re-seize control of government. More Troops have died in Afghanistan since he took office than during the entire 8 years of Bush. And, after withdrawing the Troops from Iraq, after failing to get Maliki to agree to his terms to keep them there, he boasts of his getting them out and not acknowledging they were withdrawn as per the terms of the agreement negotiated and signed between Maliki and George W. Bush before he took office. And now he takes full credit for killing bin Laden when all he did was reluctantly give the okay for them to act on the intelligence that began being built during Bush’s years? Open your eyes and look around the country, Nathan. Pull down your blinders.

    And let’s see, how did you all react during Bush’s term when Zarqawi, al Qaeda leader in Iraq was killed?


    And all of the cries against waterboarding? But no acknowledgement that is what finally led to bin Laden: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703859304576305023876506348.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop and http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42880435/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

    More on the role of those “harsh interrogations” you all opposed and how they played a major role in tracking bin Laden down: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/05/nation/la-na-bin-laden-torture-20110505

    Then too, we have Obama changing the story on how bin Laden acted at the time: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-killing-us-story-change and http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/the-slippery-story-of-the-bin-laden-kill/238261/

    And that “dumb” war in Iraq? It is what led to the capture and intelligence that led us to bin Laden: http://news.investors.com/article/571001/201105031849/editorial-and8216dumband8217-war-in-iraq-led-obama-to-bin-laden.htm

    And, Obama’s “decisive” action? Bull puckey, he slept on it for 16 hours: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html

    And did killing bin Laden stop the war or terrorism? No: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/killing-resolves-nothing

    And let us not forget that you people labeled the Seal Team that took out bin Laden as an Assassination Ring, denigrating them while Bush was in office: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/02/hersh_olbermann_called_bin_laden_seal_team_assassination_ring_in_2009.html

    And all you have is a hollow nothing talking point now?


    You aren’t very good at this, Nathan


  5. Is it unreasonable to question why the President’s predecessor went from wanting OBL dead or alive to not wanting him at all? President Obama was consistent from the campaign forward that he would take out OBL given the chance whether or not in involved going into Pakistan. The same cannot be said for his precedessor. Willard is also on record as opposing an operation to get OBL. The President rolled the dice and won. Had he failed his detractors would have hung I the failure around his neck and not the military. Therefore it is fair that his supporters hang laurels instead.


  6. What is inconceivable is your ignorance and total reliance on DNC talking points.

    For your education, from the March 13, 2002 Press Conference (without the need of a teleprompter):

    Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part — deep in your heart, don’t you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won’t really eliminate the threat of —

    THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he’s alive at all. Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not; we haven’t heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is — really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission.

    Terror is bigger than one person. And he’s just — he’s a person who’s now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He’s the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is — as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide — if, in fact, he’s hiding at all.

    So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I’m more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

    And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There’s going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I’m just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We’re tough, we’re strong, they’re well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.

    Q But don’t you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won’t truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

    But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became — we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we — excuse me for a minute — and if we find a training camp, we’ll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That’s one of the things — part of the new phase that’s becoming apparent to the American people is that we’re working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.

    And we’ve got more work to do. See, that’s the thing the American people have got to understand, that we’ve only been at this six months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don’t know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it’s going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink. And I’m not going to get tired. Because I know what is at stake. And history has called us to action, and I am going to seize this moment for the good of the world, for peace in the world and for freedom.

    Talking points look good and fool the uninformed easily, as you show.

    And as I said, there have been more Troops killed in Afghanistan since BHO took charge than during the entirety of Bush 2 terms.

    You say it is “fair” for his worshippers to hang laurels around his neck for the killing of bin Laden. Did you hang any laurels around Bush’s neck for capturing Saddam, killing Zarqawi, setting in the motion the intelligence that led to bin Laden, setting in motion the agreement that withdrew the Troops from Iraq and so much more?

    Unless you can show the same regard for Bush, your attempt at equivalence falls flat and fails.

    All you show is you are woefully ill-informed and lacking of any facts.

    But, such a reliance on talking points and refusing to look at anything other than what you are instructed to look at does that to someone.

    As I said, you really aren’t very good at this and your every comment shows it.


  7. It is very difficult to attempt to find a negative in the President going after bin Laden and very difficult to find a positive in attempting to do so. It does not serve the Republicans in this election year to remind people who was president when we were attacked and who was president when bin Laden was brought to justice.


  8. Oh Al, more tired talking points?

    Have you all forgotten Oct. 12, 2000 – A terrorist bomb damages the destroyer USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39.

    Aug. 7, 1998 – Terrorist bombs destroy the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In Nairobi, 12 Americans are among the 291 killed, and over 5,000 are wounded, including 6 Americans. In Dar es Salaam, one U.S. citizen is wounded among the 10 killed and 77 injured.
    In response, on August 20 the United States attacked targets in Afghanistan and Sudan with over 75 cruise missiles fired from Navy ships in the Arabian and Red seas. About 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from warships in the Arabian Sea. Most struck six separate targets in a camp near Khost, Afghanistan. Simultaneously, about 20 cruise missiles were fired from U.S. ships in the Red Sea striking a factory in Khartoum, Sudan, which was suspected of producing components for making chemical weapons.

    June 21, 1998 – Rocket-propelled grenades explode near the U.S. embassy in Beirut.

    June 25, 1996 – A bomb aboard a fuel truck explodes outside a U.S. air force installation in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. 19 U.S. military personnel are killed in the Khubar Towers housing facility, and 515 are wounded, including 240 Americans.

    Nov. 13, 1995 – A car-bomb in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills seven people, five of them American military and civilian advisers for National Guard training. The “Tigers of the Gulf,” “Islamist Movement for Change,” and “Fighting Advocates of God” claim responsibility.

    February 26, 1993 – A bomb in a van explodes in the underground parking garage in New York’s World Trade Center, killing six people and wounding 1,042.

    Did I remind you of who was president and just what party he was with then?

    It does Democrats no good to try to build an aura of false heroism around a narcissist who opposed every move by his predecessor and now takes credit for them.

    Obama had to be drug kicking and screaming from the golf course to even give the okay for getting bin Laden and now, he takes all credit to himself?

    And still we have more people unemployed, on food stamps and lower home values than when he took office along with the highest external debt in our history, losing our credit rating and his plans on increasing the debt even more?

    The negatives aren’t on him finally giving the okay and watching a TV screen, but his heroic claims that only he would do it.


  9. And Nathan, I blew out that garbage on facebook when I pointed out that if you pumped enough wasted billions into the Fulton Steamship Company, it to would be alive and kicking.

    That GM, which makes, arguably, the worst car on the planet (The Volt) is still in business isn’t a triumph for the empty suited socialist since that will cost us all billions. That Obama took 5 months to make a decision to ff that scumbag that should have taken him 5 minutes is nothing for him to be proud of.

    And, I’ll say it again here: the hypocritical coward that is our president is going around spiking the football (You remember, Nathan… that football That Loudmouth said he WOULDN’T spike?) or that he wasted hundreds of thousands of our dollars to fly to 14,000 miles Afghanistan to again use the troops as a campaign prop…

    In direct answer to the question… OBL is all he’s got. Think about it: every morning he wakes up, and everywhere he looks it’s a train wreck. Economy sucks, foreign policy is a joke, Afghan/Iraq is a nightmare to him… years of false promises coming back to haunt him… scandal everywhere from the Secret Service to DOJ and Holder… I’d hang myself if I were him. So, why does he ride this so hard? It’s because he’s got absolutely NOTHING else.


  10. So you think Bin Laden was murdered a year ago? REALLY?



  11. There were two positive outcomes of getting bin Laden:

    1.. Justice and an end was brought to an evil man

    2. It drove the right wing crazy..


  12. And terrorism continues, Schuyler, as does high unemployment, decreasing home values, high external national debt, high gas prices, extremely slow economic growth while people struggle to make ends meet.

    Also continuing is MO’s extravagant vacations, BHO’s frequent trips to the golf course and his own vacations, after telling us we need to curtail vacations.

    Killing bin Laden doesn’t drive us crazy, unlike when others like Saddam and Zarqawi were killed under Bush did you Progressives. It’s the false claim of BHO’s heroics when his main involvement was to pose in the situation room for a photo op to appear concerned.

    You people are so partisan you cannot see how you are losing more every day.


  13. Good piece, Susan.

    Thanks for linking it.


  14. This commentary reminds me of the Star Trek episode “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield”. Neither side can admit the accomplishments of the other.

    It’s easy in hindsight to say that President Obama made an easy decision (as said Donald Rumsfeld). When the outcome is anything but certain, when you have to exclude a major partner – knowing that there will be repercussions to that, when a mission has the potential to end in catastrophic failure, making the decision to commit troops to the mission would be a real gut-check. I don’t fault the President for beating his chest a bit – he earned it.

    On the other hand, to imply that the previous administration didn’t contribute mightily, and lay the groundwork for the eventual elimination of bin Laden, is foolish and can’t be taken seriously.

    We all know that if this had happened during a Republican administration, the effect would be the exact opposite – Republicans would be crowing and Democrats would be complaining…just as they did at every stage of the Iraq war. Even when it was evident to all that the troop surge was working, Democrats (including Obama) refused to concede it.


  15. Sorry Craig, but when someone grabs as much credit for everything, while the country is in the worst condition in my lifetime and plans to do more of the same that got us here, I will point out such blatant glory grabbing that he is not entitled to.

    How did Obama earn anything on this? Obama has never put himself in any danger and at best, said yes, after being coerced to.

    Had he admitted some of his policies are wrong, maybe he would be warranted a little slack.

    But he is too much the narcissist to admit he is ever wrong on anything.

    Does he credit others for their part? No, he acts like he did everything him self.


  16. Lew, I saw an interview in which he credited GW Bush for his efforts that led to the elimination of bin Laden. He’s also lauded the SEAL team on multiple occasions. I think you’re being overly dramatic to expect that a President would/could/should involve himself in the actual operation – this ain’t the 19th century you know. I haven’t seen any evidence other than anecdotal which would suggest that Obama had to be “coerced” into giving the operational go-ahead.


  17. Craig, I too saw the interview where minimal credit was given, once. It was well after he first took all credit for himself right after and came under fire for it.

    Bin Laden’s death is all he has favorable, so he is trying to bilk it for what he can. That he now credits all to himself again is par for the course.

    And other than a morale booster, what did it accomplish?

    Terrorism is still going, the economy is still flat, unemployment and gas prices are still high and the debt is outrageous, all of which worsened after he began to fix things.


  18. “Earlier this evening, President Obama called to inform me that American forces killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of the al Qaeda network that attacked America on September 11, 2001.
    I congratulated him and the men and women of our military and intelligence communities who devoted their lives to this mission. They have our everlasting gratitude.
    This momentous achievement marks a victory for America, for people who seek peace around the world, and for all those who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001. The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done.” President George Bush

    Looks like Presidents Obama and Bush have a lot more class than their critics.


  19. You’re half right. Bush has more class in his little finger than Obama has in his whole body.

    Oh, and Bush stopped golfing when he sent Troops into harm’s way.

    BHO lives for golf first, the country last and the condition of the country shows it.


  20. The bottom line is that President Obama did the right thing at tremendous risk to the lives of men under his command and with a real risk of failure. He knew, as we all do now, that had this mission not been successful lives would have been lost and his political career would have been over.  And, yet, he had the courage, the grace under pressure, to make the call. That is what we call leadership.


  21. Pathetic, Schuyler, purely pathetic.

    Obama makes one move that turned out good and he is praised as the second coming.

    Bush made gutsy calls for 8 years, fighting back after two decades of terrorist attacks against our interests, twice on our own soil and he is condemned.

    Grace under pressure. Bull shit! He had no choice and he took it.

    And still, he gives minimal credit to those who actually carried out the mission and grabs all for himself.

    But as I said, it’s all he has. Everything else he has touched is turned to pure shit, the country especially.


  22. Yet Obama has approval numbers that Bush could only dream and you are stuck with Romney. Go figure.


  23. LOL, you people believe whatever you’re told, don’t you?

    And, BHO hasn’t had to face a hostile media for 8 years, has he?

    But that doesn’t help a bit with the actual unemployment being around 15%, not 8%


    Or that the labor force participation rate is at historic lows


    Gasoline nearing historic highs?

    Yeah, he’s got great approval.


  24. And you are still stuck with Romney. Let’s all get real about November shall we?


  25. Actually, I’m stuck with the poseur in the White House now who has screwed this country up so bad it will not be straightened back out in my lifetime.

    How can you say get real about November and mention Obama in the same breath?

    4 more years of his crap and this country will collapse long before they are over. We’re near that now.


  26. It almost makes one wish that the Republicans had spent the past 3 1/2 years developing and grooming a viable candidate rather than hating and obstructing Obama. Too late.


  27. Why? 8 years of hating and obstructing worked for Democrats.

    But, I do get a chuckle watching you Progressives cutting your own throats.

    You’re going to end up worse off than the rest of us who know how to do for ourselves once he collapses the country.


  28. Craig, that was a good Star Trek comparison.

    I also find it odious that Obama is “spiking the football” because he didn’t need to – and he should GET CREDIT for the OSB killing and the use of killer drones to strike terror into the hearts of the terrorists.

    I don’t know what a President Romney would have done but he certainly doesn’t inspire confidence at this stage.


  29. Not to mention that under Obama the number of supposedly “permanently disabled” drawing federal SSI has increased at twice the rate of employment (5M vs 2.5M):



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